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Frederick
09-21-2007, 12:20 AM
House moves to protect air passengers
By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 20, 2:36 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Airlines and airports would have to come up with plans to provide passengers stranded by long delays with food, water and other basic amenities under an aviation bill approved by the House Thursday.

The legislation also demands that plans be drawn up to allow passengers to deplane following excessive delays and makes clear that the Transportation Department can levy civil penalties against a carrier or airport that doesn't adhere to contingency arrangements.

"These provisions are going to set a standard that will ensure that the flying public will be treated appropriately when they experience delays," said Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., who promoted the passenger bill of rights.

The $68 billion bill to finance Federal Aviation Administration operations and invest in airport improvements over the next four years passed 267-151. The Senate is working on similar legislation as the current FAA act heads for expiration at the end of this month.

The White House issued a veto threat for the House bill, saying it "falls far short" of administration proposals put forth early this year to reduce delays by modernizing the air traffic control system. The White House also objected to the bill's intent to raise aviation fuel taxes as a means to pay for new investment.

The measure would increase the jet fuel tax for noncommercial planes from 21.8 cents per gallon to 30.7 cents and the aviation gasoline tax from 19.3 cents to 24.1 cents. It would also raise the cap on fees airports can charge passengers for capital improvements from $4.50 a flight to $7.

But lawmakers, among the nation's legions of frequent fliers, were particularly interested in aspects of the bill dealing with airport congestion and delays.

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., whose committee signed off on the tax measures, said there wasn't anyone from either party who "didn't believe that this was our time to tell these aviation people that we passengers were suffering in such a way that we were going to express it through the tax system. People on the tarmac for three, four, five hours. Flights being canceled, weather conditions we never heard of, overcrowding."

The bill specifies that carriers and large and medium hub airports must file emergency contingency plans detailing food, water, restroom facilities, cabin ventilation and medical treatment for passengers aboard aircraft. The water must meet standards of the Safe Drinking Water Act. Another provision would require a carrier to disclose to passengers if an insecticide has been applied to the cabin interior within the past 60 days.

An amendment by Rep. Ron Klein, D-Fla., orders the secretary of Transportation to investigate consumer complaints in such areas as flight cancellations, overbooking, lost baggage or incorrect fare information.

The bill addresses noise and congestion issues by committing $13 billion, $1 billion more than the administration request, for air traffic control improvements and the satellite-based Next Generation Air Transportation System.

It requires the FAA to begin schedule reduction meetings if aircraft operations exceed hourly maximum arrival and departure rules and sets up a pilot program at five airports to develop and test new air traffic flow management technologies.

Among other provisions, the bill:

_Allows pilots who now must retire at age 60 to fly until age 65 under certain conditions.

_Requires all civil subsonic jets under 75,000 pounds to meet tougher noise level standards within five years.

_Increases the number of aviation safety and runway inspectors.

_Tightens security at overseas repair stations.

Republicans, including Transportation Committee ranking member John Mica, R-Fla., voted against the bill to show opposition to a provision that reopens a disputed contract with air traffic controllers imposed by the FAA last year, returns to the terms of the previous 1998 contract and provides back pay to controllers. Mica said this would add $1.9 billion to the cost of the bill.

Republicans also objected to language that would allow drivers and package handlers at express companies, specifically Federal Express, to organize under the National Labor Relations Act. Because FedEx was organized as an airline, its drivers and package handlers are covered by the Railway Labor Act and can only organize for collective bargaining on a national basis.
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The bill is H.R. 2881

DJDarknez
09-21-2007, 12:42 AM
What a clusterfuck. This is going to makes things worse, not better.

luvdance
09-21-2007, 01:46 AM
hmmm...

Sgdalero
09-21-2007, 03:16 AM
yeah , pretty much, and its all due to 9/11 and the aftermath that left the airline industry, all the lay offs, downsizing of the amount of planes in the air. i much rather drive places, but sometimes, you just gotta fly.

JoeySkillz
09-22-2007, 09:25 AM
What a clusterfuck. This is going to makes things worse, not better.

well i disagree.. remember that one flight that was delayed for more than 8 hours.. i think there was a baby in there with no forumla.. someone needed medical attention.. ( im not sure) but neways i think its gonna work out for the best.. and they're putting ppls needs 1st ( so they wont sue of course :p)

DJDarknez
09-22-2007, 11:56 AM
well i disagree.. remember that one flight that was delayed for more than 8 hours.. i think there was a baby in there with no forumla.. someone needed medical attention.. ( im not sure) but neways i think its gonna work out for the best.. and they're putting ppls needs 1st ( so they wont sue of course :p)

(excuse me while I step onto the soapbox here for a minute)

1) Baby forumula:

Is something that should be taken on a plane if you have a fucking baby. It's a B.A.B.Y. for christs sake, whose needs change every 5 minutes, from napping, to feeding, to shitting, to crying. Why the fuck would a parent NOT be prepated for this on a FLIGHT full of people? It's the parents own damn fault that he/she wasn't prepared.

2) Medical attention

This one I love. When I worked at United back in 2000, United Express, which of course we handled, was cancelling flights left and right that enitre summer due to weather. Back then, the various airlines that ran UAX used propeller planes, not jets, which cannot fly during shitty weather. So, people would do what is called "re-claim" their bags.

Of course, you get these fucking lucky-go-happy assholes who think airplanes are made of sugar and spice and everything nice and are powered by love and dreams of puppy dogs and kittens.

Anyways, you get these people who pack their medication into their check-in bag. And I'm not talking allergy medication. No, I'm talking about HEART medication, or ASTHMA medication, or whatever the fuck else these people need to help them LIVE.

So, now they have to get their bags back to get their meds. Oh, need an ambulance? No problem, but the city will charge ya $500 for the trip out to the airport to keep your stupid ass alive.

And ya know what? Right inside the ticket envelope it says "DO NOT PACK MEDICATION". The airlines shouldn't even need to do this, you would think. People oughta be smart enough to know that you can't exactly just walk down to the bagagge hold on an airplane and start picking through your luggage for your drugs.

Idiots.

JoeySkillz
09-22-2007, 12:19 PM
ok ok.. i see where ur views are coming from.. yeah parents should have the right of mind to know better.. and dammit if u have heart problems u better keep ur aspirin in ur pocket. im not pointing out the sick.. but damn how fukin ironic to do some shit like leave ur meds in ur luggage.
its been a good 3 years since i've been on an airplane.. im kinda eager to get on one just for the fun of it and see if mine flight gets delayed.. i'd be yelling I need some breast milk and my inhaler LOL

DJDarknez
09-22-2007, 12:21 PM
ok ok.. i see where ur views are coming from.. yeah parents should have the right of mind to know better.. and dammit if u have heart problems u better keep ur aspirin in ur pocket. im not pointing out the sick.. but damn how fukin ironic to do some shit like leave ur meds in ur luggage.
its been a good 3 years since i've been on an airplane.. im kinda eager to get on one just for the fun of it and see if mine flight gets delayed.. i'd be yelling I need some breast milk and my inhaler LOL

:jump:

I try to stick to American Airlines, they've done alright by me for the most part. Damn sight better than United.

Frederick
09-22-2007, 08:57 PM
American has been a good airline to use for the most part. But as an employer to a vendor that supplies United, they need to change their whole outlook with the industry. As for the bill in hand, something just needs to change for the better.

Sgdalero
09-22-2007, 09:30 PM
yeah, everything needs to get better.

DJDarknez
09-22-2007, 09:49 PM
I need to change for the better

Sgdalero
09-22-2007, 09:52 PM
me too brotha, me too, i gots that "p90x" workout thingy, havent started it yet, gonna start here real soon thou, I need a "beefcake body" for the WMC. (wants to lay hot chicks)(lots of em)

DJDarknez
09-22-2007, 09:54 PM
Fuck yeah!

I quit smoking Tuesday. I only had 1 that entire day (instead of my normal 20 or so) and I've been able to ignore the cravings. I'm getting ready to bring out the bike until it gets too cold to go out, then I'll just have to re-sign up at the gym.

I won't be all that for this upcoming Ultra, but it'll be a start.

Sgdalero
09-22-2007, 10:02 PM
hells yeah, but tone up , thats what i m gonna be doing.

DJDarknez
09-23-2007, 02:25 AM
Yup. I just cleared off my weight bench, hopefully will start using that thing again.

JoeySkillz
09-23-2007, 10:15 AM
Yup. I just cleared off my weight bench, hopefully will start using that thing again.

dang..wtf did u have on top of it :p

Good deal u guys!! since u guys are doing that im going back to my skinless chiken and fish diet :D it works... no bread.. dammit.

DJDarknez
09-23-2007, 08:09 PM
I used the weight bench as a table for whatever.

But the bad news....bought a pack of smokes today.

JoeySkillz
09-25-2007, 12:39 AM
OoOoOUCH!!! dam bro.. how long where u ciggy free.. its hard to cut a habbit .. u should just quit cold turkey.. yeah its gonna be tough but u gotta better urself..
instead of buying ciggarettes .. why not buy u a couple of tracks from Beat Port lol or a get a jar and everytime u get the urge for a smoke put what it wud cost into the jar..( i dont think that would work IMO)
i heard that when u try to quit smoking, u tend to eat more.. so its really gonna be tought on u since ur an avid smoker.. Dude Good Luck!!

DJDarknez
09-25-2007, 01:35 AM
I was cold turkey for 4 days. Only had 2 today, so that's good.

And yeah, no shit about the food thing. It's happening already. And that's really bad, cuz I ain't exactly a skinny fucker to begin with.

Sgdalero
09-29-2007, 02:49 AM
its a start, lil step DJD , lil steps.

JoeySkillz
09-29-2007, 08:19 AM
like Mother may I kinda steps>? :jump:

DJDarknez
09-29-2007, 06:13 PM
RED LIGHT GREEN LIGHT BITCHES!

Taking it back to 2nd grade

Sgdalero
10-01-2007, 03:13 AM
old skoolon all the way !!! hells yea